[OmniOS-discuss] Questions about - End the uncertainty -

Fri Jul 7 06:04:45 UTC 2017

Hi Aurélien, 

----- On Jul 7, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Aurélien Larcher <aurelien.larcher at gmail.com> wrote: 

> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Tobias Oetiker < [ mailto:tobi at oetiker.ch |
> tobi at oetiker.ch ] > wrote:

>> Hi Aurélien

>> the motivation behind OmniOSce is that we have come to love the the stability
>> and
>> tight focus of OmniOS. Many of us are running large servers that form critical
>> pieces of our infrastructure. Loosing OmniOS was simply not an option for us.
>> Since OmniTI gave up on this we were forced start doing the work on our own.

> Your answer makes me think I was not clear enough or that we are discussing two
> different things ...
> My point was about collaboration not about losing what you like.

nothing against collaboration, on the contrary ... when looking at omnios now (with the focus of it being a server os) 
what do you see that is missing which oi folks could contribute, or which we could 
pull from oi ? 

>> we are happy for anyone to join us in our effort, for example also in providing
>> a more end user focussed repo that goes along with omnios, providing a desktop
>> environment for those who want to use the os in that capacity.

> If we want another general-purpose distro with 2 maintainers and 10 users that's
> certainly the way to go ;)

we are not general purpose in that sense. 

cheers 
tobi 

>> [ http://www.omniosce.org/ | www.omniosce.org ]
>> [ http://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby | gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby ]

>> Tobias Oetiker

>> On 7 Jul 2017, at 01:47, Aurélien Larcher < [ mailto:aurelien.larcher at gmail.com
>> | aurelien.larcher at gmail.com ] > wrote:

>>>> Gea,

>>>> the king is dead, long live the king

>>>> [ https://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby | https://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby ]

>>>> [ http://www.omniosce.org/ | www.omniosce.org ]

>>>> the story continues ...

>>> It is good news, but I would engage you to discuss about reducing the
>>> fragmentation in the illumos community.
>>> We have a few distros maintained by 1-3 guys without any or much momentum and
>>> much duplication of efforts (Debian has 1000+ devs working together and we are
>>> barely able to have more than 10).

>>> We should join our efforts like, as I suggested, basing on common tools and
>>> userland.
>>> I do not see how wasting energy in duplicate efforts will help us keep/gain
>>> momentum.
>>> I mentioned earlier the possibility of a virtuous circle with OI as the rolling
>>> testing and OmniOS the stable: to be honest I see very little sense in
>>> maintaining two "testing" with such a small manpower. In the long term this
>>> does not seem sustainable.

>>> At least some degree of collaboration should be maintained on documentation,
>>> pkg(5) and updates of Python/Perl/GCC with the same source repository.

>>> Of course this is not "right now", as you need to maintain continuity, but we
>>> should plan the next 6 month cycle to decide on common requirements and make it
>>> happen.
>>> I saw Peter has built illumos-omnios on Tribblix, I think we should do the same
>>> on OpenIndiana: the issue is not about doing it once (I did it last year) but
>>> having a person commited to maintain it.

>>> Convergence is necessary, at least to some extent, discussion is open. :)

>>> Kind regards

>>> Aurélien

>>>> cheers
>>>> tobi

>>>> ----- On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Guenther Alka < [ mailto:alka at hfg-gmuend.de |
>>>> alka at hfg-gmuend.de ] > wrote:

>>>>> about OmniOS and the silence for weeks

>>>>> For my own future, I have already decided to switch back to OpenIndiana, the
>>>>> community based sister project of OmniOS. But like many users, I have yet
>>>>> OmniOS installations running perfectly. For them, it is essential to ask about
>>>>> the future for the next months or year and needed next steps (can wait some
>>>>> time or switch as soon as possible).

>>>>> @ OmniTi
>>>>> The end of OmniOS at OmniTi seems final.

>>>>> - How long will the website and the repo remain online?

>>>>> - Is there an option to fix serious bugs or problems in OmniOS @OmniTi for
>>>>> a limited time like 1 year or at least end of the year?

>>>>> - Are you willing to transfer the website/name either to a new OmniOS community
>>>>> project (I cannot see this as an option regarding the silence about) or to the
>>>>> OpenIndiana community to use it as a name for a possible stable like
>>>>> OpenIndiana Hipster=dev and OpenIndiana OmniOS as a stable subset? (if OI is
>>>>> willing to go that route but the request or offer must come from OmniTi or
>>>>> OmniOS people).

>>>>> OmniOS has a very strong reputation regarding production quality and stability,
>>>>> so such a step would help both if OpenIndiana and OmniOS would cooperate in a
>>>>> common project. Seems a pity if the name would die or remain as a name for a
>>>>> failed project.

>>>>> @OmniOS developers (current or former - you have done a very good job!)

>>>>> - Is there an option to fix serious bugs or problems in OmniOS for a limited
>>>>> time like 1 year or at least end of the year? This would help until a sucessor
>>>>> (less likely OmniOS 151024 , maybe next OpenIndiana snap with a stable subset)
>>>>> is available. LX would then remain an OmniOS option in the meantime (I would
>>>>> not dare to ask about an upstream).

>>>>> @all
>>>>> comments?

>>>>> Gea
>>>>> @ [ http://napp-it.org/ | napp-it.org ]

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