[OmniOS-discuss] Questions about - End the uncertainty -

Fri Jul 7 05:55:58 UTC 2017

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Tobias Oetiker <tobi at oetiker.ch> wrote:

> Hi Aurélien
>
> the motivation behind OmniOSce is that we have come to love the the
> stability and
> tight focus of OmniOS. Many of us are running large servers that form
> critical pieces of our infrastructure. Loosing OmniOS was simply not an
> option for us. Since OmniTI gave up on this we were forced start doing the
> work on our own.
>

Your answer makes me think I was not clear enough or that we are discussing
two different things ...
My point was about collaboration not about losing what you like.

>
> for now our focus is in building on Dan's excellent work, both in updating
> r022 as well as pulling in new stuff from both upstream illumos and joyents
> lx work.
>

Which is understandable ;)
On the other hand I raised a few questions about collaboration and
perspectives which I thought could be worth discussing beyond the current
state of affairs.

> we are happy for anyone to join us in our effort, for example also in
> providing a more end user focussed repo that goes along with omnios,
> providing a desktop environment for those who want to use the os in that
> capacity.
>

 If we want another general-purpose distro with 2 maintainers and 10 users
that's certainly the way to go ;)

>
> www.omniosce.org
> gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby
>
> Tobias Oetiker
>
> On 7 Jul 2017, at 01:47, Aurélien Larcher <aurelien.larcher at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Gea,
>>
>> the king is dead, long live the king
>>
>> https://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby
>>
>> www.omniosce.org
>>
>> the story continues ...
>>
>
> It is good news, but I would engage you to discuss about reducing the
> fragmentation in the illumos community.
> We have a few distros maintained by 1-3 guys without any or much momentum
> and much duplication of efforts (Debian has 1000+ devs working together and
> we are barely able to have more than 10).
>
> We should join our efforts like, as I suggested, basing on common tools
> and userland.
> I do not see how wasting energy in duplicate efforts will help us
> keep/gain momentum.
> I mentioned earlier the possibility of a virtuous circle with OI as the
> rolling testing and OmniOS the stable: to be honest I see very little sense
> in maintaining two "testing" with such a small manpower. In the long term
> this does not seem sustainable.
>
> At least some degree of collaboration should be maintained on
> documentation, pkg(5) and updates of Python/Perl/GCC with the same source
> repository.
>
> Of course this is not "right now", as you need to maintain continuity, but
> we should plan the next 6 month cycle to decide on common requirements and
> make it happen.
> I saw Peter has built illumos-omnios on Tribblix, I think we should do the
> same on OpenIndiana: the issue is not about doing it once (I did it last
> year) but having a person commited to maintain it.
>
> Convergence is necessary, at least to some extent, discussion is open. :)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Aurélien
>
>
>>
>> cheers
>> tobi
>>
>> ----- On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Guenther Alka <alka at hfg-gmuend.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> *about OmniOS** and the silence for weeks*
>>
>> For my own future, I have already decided to switch back to OpenIndiana,
>> the community based sister project of OmniOS. But like many users, I have
>> yet OmniOS installations running perfectly. For them, it is essential to
>> ask about the future for the next months or year and needed next steps (can
>> wait some time or switch as soon as possible).
>>
>>
>> *@**OmniTi*
>> The end of OmniOS at OmniTi seems final.
>>
>> - How long will the website and the repo remain online?
>>
>> - Is there an option to fix serious bugs or problems in OmniOS @OmniTi
>> for
>> a limited time like 1 year or at least end of the year?
>>
>> - Are you willing to transfer the website/name either to a new OmniOS
>> community project (I cannot see this as an option regarding the silence
>> about) or to the OpenIndiana community to use it as a name for a possible
>> stable like OpenIndiana Hipster=dev and OpenIndiana OmniOS as a stable
>> subset? (if OI is willing to go that route but the request or offer must
>> come from OmniTi or OmniOS people).
>>
>> OmniOS has a very strong reputation regarding production quality and
>> stability, so such a step would help both if OpenIndiana and OmniOS would
>> cooperate in a common project. Seems a pity if the name would die or
>> remain as a name for a failed project.
>>
>>
>> *@OmniOS developers* (current or former - you have done a very good job!)
>>
>> - Is there an option to fix serious bugs or problems in OmniOS for a
>> limited time like 1 year or at least end of the year? This would help until
>> a sucessor (less likely OmniOS 151024, maybe next OpenIndiana snap with
>> a stable subset) is available. LX would then remain an OmniOS option in
>> the meantime (I would not dare to ask about an upstream).
>>
>>
>>
>> *@all*
>> comments?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gea
>> @napp-it.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OmniOS-discuss mailing list
>> OmniOS-discuss at lists.omniti.com
>> http://lists.omniti.com/mailman/listinfo/omnios-discuss
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tobi Oetiker, OETIKER+PARTNER AG, Aarweg 15 CH-4600 Olten, Switzerland
>> www.oetiker.ch tobi at oetiker.ch +41 62 775 9902 <+41%2062%20775%2099%2002>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OmniOS-discuss mailing list
>> OmniOS-discuss at lists.omniti.com
>> http://lists.omniti.com/mailman/listinfo/omnios-discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ---
> Praise the Caffeine embeddings
>
>

-- 
---
Praise the Caffeine embeddings
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://omniosce.org/ml-archive/attachments/20170707/21e38938/attachment.html>